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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Frank A&lt;/strong&gt;: that sounds like a very tough and horrible story on what can happen worst case, if you happen to be on the wrong side of the law! 

While I don&#039;t advocate the traffic or use of drugs of any illegal kind, it is a common knowledge and widely publicized in the media, that Indonesia deals out tough verdicts on the smallest of those incidents. Foreigners are no exception in that regard in Indonesia, which is for many understandable, as probably most of the drugs brought into the country are smuggled by foreigners anyway. 

You can argue with or against those laws or the money that&#039;s exchanging hands in the process by some who just want to milk those unfortunate effected, but these rules are in place already many years, usually enforced strictly and there is in my view no change to that stance on the horizon.

Definitely you made your mistakes and probably learned the lesson in the hardest way possible. Probably now, when faced with the dire consequences of your actions you realized that it was a very bad idea. I&#039;m sure, if you could turn back time and change things along the way - you would. 

As that is no option, I can only wish you the best from the bottom of my heart and hope that there is any way for you to avoid that final judgment day. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Frank A</strong>: that sounds like a very tough and horrible story on what can happen worst case, if you happen to be on the wrong side of the law! </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t advocate the traffic or use of drugs of any illegal kind, it is a common knowledge and widely publicized in the media, that Indonesia deals out tough verdicts on the smallest of those incidents. Foreigners are no exception in that regard in Indonesia, which is for many understandable, as probably most of the drugs brought into the country are smuggled by foreigners anyway. </p>
<p>You can argue with or against those laws or the money that&#8217;s exchanging hands in the process by some who just want to milk those unfortunate effected, but these rules are in place already many years, usually enforced strictly and there is in my view no change to that stance on the horizon.</p>
<p>Definitely you made your mistakes and probably learned the lesson in the hardest way possible. Probably now, when faced with the dire consequences of your actions you realized that it was a very bad idea. I&#8217;m sure, if you could turn back time and change things along the way &#8211; you would. </p>
<p>As that is no option, I can only wish you the best from the bottom of my heart and hope that there is any way for you to avoid that final judgment day. <img src="http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-includes/images/yahoo/yahoo2.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Frank A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-o Had to correct my website contact.</description>
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		<title>By: Frank A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding Chris. 

You and I think very much alike, but there are a few factors you need to know about me.  I still see Asia as my escape from the confines of a boring, routine life I used to lead in the United States, and when I manage to get out of Indonesia, there is absolutely no way in hell that I will return to that country for more than a brief visit. I moved to Thailand 5 years ago and loved it. I actually plan to return after this ordeal is over.

However, I did make a couple of bad choices after my business there went bust and the other work I was doing dried up. One of those bad choices was taking up doing some &quot;work&quot; for a guy in Indonesia. Doing so landed me on the wrong side of the law in Indonesia. Now before you go passing judgment on me, let me add in that what I was caught for would probably have gotten me a couple of years in the USA, but seeing that the police here were involved in the case, the prosecution and the judiciary committed evidence tampering &amp; theft; the BNN resold the drugs confiscated from me; the Indonesian lawyers (3 sets of them) stole all my remaining money that wasn&#039;t stolen by the police; and the fact that I was threatened with torture and watched my girlfriend getting slapped around by police, would have gotten this entire case thrown out of court in the first place. BUT, being on Monkey Island / Indonesia what ended up happening instead was that I was sentenced to death while my boss, was given a 12 year sentence and the owners of the drugs were released from the police station after paying a large sum of cash to the BNN Narcotics chief.
Please, take a moment to read this article I posted on Facebook; it will fill in a lot of the details.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=196534573705975

Thanks for your time and this forum, Chris. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding Chris. </p>
<p>You and I think very much alike, but there are a few factors you need to know about me.  I still see Asia as my escape from the confines of a boring, routine life I used to lead in the United States, and when I manage to get out of Indonesia, there is absolutely no way in hell that I will return to that country for more than a brief visit. I moved to Thailand 5 years ago and loved it. I actually plan to return after this ordeal is over.</p>
<p>However, I did make a couple of bad choices after my business there went bust and the other work I was doing dried up. One of those bad choices was taking up doing some &#8220;work&#8221; for a guy in Indonesia. Doing so landed me on the wrong side of the law in Indonesia. Now before you go passing judgment on me, let me add in that what I was caught for would probably have gotten me a couple of years in the USA, but seeing that the police here were involved in the case, the prosecution and the judiciary committed evidence tampering &amp; theft; the BNN resold the drugs confiscated from me; the Indonesian lawyers (3 sets of them) stole all my remaining money that wasn&#8217;t stolen by the police; and the fact that I was threatened with torture and watched my girlfriend getting slapped around by police, would have gotten this entire case thrown out of court in the first place. BUT, being on Monkey Island / Indonesia what ended up happening instead was that I was sentenced to death while my boss, was given a 12 year sentence and the owners of the drugs were released from the police station after paying a large sum of cash to the BNN Narcotics chief.<br />
Please, take a moment to read this article I posted on Facebook; it will fill in a lot of the details.<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=196534573705975">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=196534573705975</a></p>
<p>Thanks for your time and this forum, Chris. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Frank A&lt;/strong&gt;, you are right in what you describe, although I see another color to it. For me it&#039;s more convenient to live in a surrounding of open and blatant corruption, than having the same or worse level of corruption in the developed world, disguised as the so-called welfare state. Corruption exists in the western world also, but you are lulled into a state of mind by media, society and politicians that the world out there is dangerous and they are much better in taking care of you. That might well be so, if you like someone to tell you what&#039;s right for yourself, but you will pay for it with an arm and a leg and sometimes even with selling yourself to life-long slavery labor for a mediocre middle-class lifestyle. It&#039;s up to you, what you prefer. You make the call!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Frank A</strong>, you are right in what you describe, although I see another color to it. For me it&#8217;s more convenient to live in a surrounding of open and blatant corruption, than having the same or worse level of corruption in the developed world, disguised as the so-called welfare state. Corruption exists in the western world also, but you are lulled into a state of mind by media, society and politicians that the world out there is dangerous and they are much better in taking care of you. That might well be so, if you like someone to tell you what&#8217;s right for yourself, but you will pay for it with an arm and a leg and sometimes even with selling yourself to life-long slavery labor for a mediocre middle-class lifestyle. It&#8217;s up to you, what you prefer. You make the call!  <img src="http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-includes/images/yahoo/yahoo3.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Frank A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fricking zoo of a country! I can&#039;t wait to get the hell out of here.

If you&#039;re thinking to come here, either to live or on a vacation, do yourself a huge favor and think again; it could save you from making the biggest mistake of your life. Bare in mind, you could lose a lot more than your money, your property and / or your time here, and in some cases, once you realize it, it just might be too late.

If you really want to be surrounded by a bunch of corrupt, money grubbing, tire swinging, chimpanzee mentality, fuck-tards, go to the monkey house at your local zoo; it won&#039;t cost your as much, and your separated from the apes by steal bars and plexiglass. L-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fricking zoo of a country! I can&#8217;t wait to get the hell out of here.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re thinking to come here, either to live or on a vacation, do yourself a huge favor and think again; it could save you from making the biggest mistake of your life. Bare in mind, you could lose a lot more than your money, your property and / or your time here, and in some cases, once you realize it, it just might be too late.</p>
<p>If you really want to be surrounded by a bunch of corrupt, money grubbing, tire swinging, chimpanzee mentality, fuck-tards, go to the monkey house at your local zoo; it won&#8217;t cost your as much, and your separated from the apes by steal bars and plexiglass. <img src="http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-includes/images/yahoo/30.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now i still study in singapore and next month i flew to rinca island to dive and stay in GILi-t.i always spent my days in my beautiful indonesia emm.....................well just enjoy it.AND i miss my sweet home in lampung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now i still study in singapore and next month i flew to rinca island to dive and stay in GILi-t.i always spent my days in my beautiful indonesia emm&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;well just enjoy it.AND i miss my sweet home in lampung</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for me is okay for everything in indonesia,if you dont cheat why must be worry??so take the right time if you want invest make by your own if you mind dont GO on!! although in indonesia true about corruption why you must bother you want gift some help??is it they will listen.i am indonesia live on this country i still fine because i do the rigth thing and i am much happy feel of all this i dont mind what the foreigner think about my country because true for everything.BY the way WHAt matter happen i always by site my beautiful indonesia is colourful for everything.Just happy and relax IN mainland diversity of indonesia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me is okay for everything in indonesia,if you dont cheat why must be worry??so take the right time if you want invest make by your own if you mind dont GO on!! although in indonesia true about corruption why you must bother you want gift some help??is it they will listen.i am indonesia live on this country i still fine because i do the rigth thing and i am much happy feel of all this i dont mind what the foreigner think about my country because true for everything.BY the way WHAt matter happen i always by site my beautiful indonesia is colourful for everything.Just happy and relax IN mainland diversity of indonesia</p>
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		<title>By: Funny Aliens: Land for Sale, Invest in your Future in Lombok &#124; nomad4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny Aliens: Land for Sale, Invest in your Future in Lombok &#124; nomad4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yours. Why buy property in a foreign country with a long history of an unreliable legal system and corruption, when you can rent it sooo much cheaper. If things go wrong, you can always move on. Simple like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yours. Why buy property in a foreign country with a long history of an unreliable legal system and corruption, when you can rent it sooo much cheaper. If things go wrong, you can always move on. Simple like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cutting Subsidies - Indonesia&#8217;s Government will raise Fuel Prices by app. 30% in June &#124; nomad4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cutting Subsidies - Indonesia&#8217;s Government will raise Fuel Prices by app. 30% in June &#124; nomad4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another method would be in the form of direct cash distributions to help cushion the impact of rising fuel; although I would see that as a more problematic way - prone to be misused by legions of corrupt politicians and officials. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another method would be in the form of direct cash distributions to help cushion the impact of rising fuel; although I would see that as a more problematic way &#8211; prone to be misused by legions of corrupt politicians and officials. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: panji</title>
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		<dc:creator>panji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ vicong: Although it is true, you feel well inside, dont you? Cause the fact is, the pestilence doesnt come daily. Man made can be avoided through development and education. If you live your life properly, you don&#039;t get much trouble, anyway.

Every disease known to man can be found somewhere in Indonesia doesnt mean anything since it is located in tropical region (and badly managed). This is about imaging. You can see a thing more from its bad or good side. It is personal option. Use own judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ vicong: Although it is true, you feel well inside, dont you? Cause the fact is, the pestilence doesnt come daily. Man made can be avoided through development and education. If you live your life properly, you don&#8217;t get much trouble, anyway.</p>
<p>Every disease known to man can be found somewhere in Indonesia doesnt mean anything since it is located in tropical region (and badly managed). This is about imaging. You can see a thing more from its bad or good side. It is personal option. Use own judgement.</p>
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